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Old 11-22-2011, 10:51 AM
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However HSS caused the flash power reducing causing the need to still shoot in less bright conditions. Because HSS actualy fires a rapid burst of flashes to fill the exposure as the shutter moves down.
We have had this discussion before, and to illustrate Brian's point, look at this test I did to show the difference with a single light on HSS.


I found to overcome the loss of power, you needed about 3 lights to equal 1 at native sync speed.


This gets damn expensive quickly
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:40 PM
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We have had this discussion before, and to illustrate Brian's point, look at this test I did to show the difference with a single light on HSS.


I found to overcome the loss of power, you needed about 3 lights to equal 1 at native sync speed.


This gets damn expensive quickly
Yep.. And you can use a nd filter "dont buy cheep" to bring that f13 down BUT you still need the 1/1 flash power. So really the olnly way to over power the sun is to have a bigger more powerful strobe. This is why you see people with 4 square cold shoe brackets and profesional photographers with studio strobes with batery packs out side. I personaly am very very tempted to buy a Vagabond batery pack for my Alen Bee. However really outside the 160 WS AB400 is not powerfull enough with a softbox to over power the mid day sun more than 3-5 feet away. This is because of how quick light falls off, and how much light the modifier eats. I am going to wait tell I get a AB800 or a AB1600.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:45 PM
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I personaly am very very tempted to buy a Vagabond batery pack for my Alen Bee. However really outside the 160 WS AB400 is not powerfull enough with a softbox to over power the mid day sun more than 3-5 feet away. This is because of how quick light falls off, and how much light the modifier eats. I am going to wait tell I get a AB800 or a AB1600.
This is about the best I can get with a 180w/s strobe in a softbox running off of a vagabond.

I was at ISO100 (fake lower than native)
F11
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3pm middle of summer, no shade or clouds
Strobe screaming in agony at full power, about 8-10 feet from couple
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:11 PM
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This is about the best I can get with a 180w/s strobe in a softbox running off of a vagabond.

I was at ISO100 (fake lower than native)
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3pm middle of summer, no shade or clouds
Strobe screaming in agony at full power, about 8-10 feet from couple
Did his head spring a leak? Just messing with ya.
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Did his head spring a leak? Just messing with ya.
Actually, that was the back of his head exploding from the stress.....

That's a reason I don't use this image for anything, because the composition does not work. It does show bright sun close to what you were describing, so I dusted it off just for you

I changed angles and went with this:


so his head wasn't leaking.... had to stand ankle deep in another fountain to get it....
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Wow...observant, haha
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If you replace your expensive flash units with a extremely huge reflector (perhaps silver), do you get the same result?
Well I suppose yes, if you have sufficient available light. But remember, a reflector does not add light, it simply redirects it. If you don't have sufficient available light, your reflector, regardless of it's size, will not replace the need for flash
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Well I suppose yes, if you have sufficient available light. But remember, a reflector does not add light, it simply redirects it. If you don't have sufficient available light, your reflector, regardless of it's size, will not replace the need for flash
If I have insufficient available light, add less unit of speedlight to the reflector will help reducing the number of speedlight needed? Perhaps reducing 3 units to 1 unit ;D. Is that sounds feasible? Or just use a lightstand with 1 unit of speedlight fire on the reflector to aid the reflection from reflector.

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If I have insufficient available light, add less unit of speedlight to the reflector will help reducing the number of speedlight needed? Perhaps reducing 3 units to 1 unit ;D. Is that sounds feasible? Or just use a lightstand with 1 unit of speedlight fire on the reflector to aid the reflection from reflector.

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Adding a reflector will alow you to control light it will not increase the amount of light. Also you lose power when reflected. Mostly we use reflectors for fill in light. So you could have a key on the left and a reflector on the right for fill.
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