Flaming sunset

[faisal_76704]

Hi there..

Here is a picture that was taken a few days ago. I really like the color and movement of the sky. The problem is, i think the overall composition of this picture seems to be weak. I tried adding foreground to this picture. But the beach doesnt seem to blend in. Worried that i might lost this moment,i decided to capture movement of the sky itself.

Hope others can give their advice based on the composition,colors,exposure or anything that pop out of your head when you see this picture. Anything good or bad is accepted. Many thanks..

Exif Data:
Nikon D90 | Tokina 12-24mm | FL 12mm | f11 | 190seconds

[windrider86]

We need you exif information to really give you a good critique

[faisal_76704]

Originally Posted by windrider86

We need you exif information to really give you a good critique

Very2 sorry,forgot to enter the exif data..

[EOBeav]

Nice movement in the sky, and the colors sure are great. Those D90's seem to do well at longer exposures. For scenes like this, sometimes its nice to have something in the foreground to add perspective. You had mentioned using the beach, but go a little smaller and find something on the beach to add to the scene.

It's times like this I wish I had a full frame. Thanks for posting this. Keep shooting!

[navcom]

I don't think it looks all that bad compositionally. It would be nice if there was something more prominent but the movement is fairly compelling and you do have the hills at the shoreline for scale.

While it is true that most sunrises/sunsets require something more than just a pretty sky to keep a viewers attention, an image doesn't have to always have an "object" as a prominent subject. Sometimes just a prominent feeling or mood is enough to hold the viewer and in your case it's not far from that.

Cool!

[T.R.R]

I have to agree that when I look at this image, I find myself searching the image. To me the hills at the end of the image take away from it,more then help it.

[faisal_76704]

Originally Posted by EOBeav

Nice movement in the sky, and the colors sure are great. Those D90's seem to do well at longer exposures. For scenes like this, sometimes its nice to have something in the foreground to add perspective. You had mentioned using the beach, but go a little smaller and find something on the beach to add to the scene.

It's times like this I wish I had a full frame. Thanks for posting this. Keep shooting!

I really am satisfied with the long exposure given by it. I hope to capture this scene again,if i had the chance. But with a different composition. What will happen when you use a full frame to capture these moment?i really do not know the difference in it. Thanks..

Originally Posted by navcom

I don't think it looks all that bad compositionally. It would be nice if there was something more prominent but the movement is fairly compelling and you do have the hills at the shoreline for scale.

While it is true that most sunrises/sunsets require something more than just a pretty sky to keep a viewers attention, an image doesn't have to always have an "object" as a prominent subject. Sometimes just a prominent feeling or mood is enough to hold the viewer and in your case it's not far from that.

Cool!

I know that i am not far from that. I really felt frustrated with the composition though. I hope there will be another chance for me to capture this moment again.

Originally Posted by T.R.R

I have to agree that when I look at this image, I find myself searching the image. To me the hills at the end of the image take away from it,more then help it.

thanks for dropping by.. cheers

[TBrown00]

Originally Posted by faisal_76704

I really am satisfied with the long exposure given by it. I hope to capture this scene again,if i had the chance. But with a different composition. What will happen when you use a full frame to capture these moment?i really do not know the difference in it. Thanks..

Full frame has no effect on movement. It has much lower noise at high ISOs (I can go to 3200 on my D700 and barely see any) and since it's full frame, its sensor is the same size as a piece of 35mm film which means there is no crop factor. When you put a lens on your D90 at 20mm, it's equivalent to a 30mm (20mm x 1.5 = 30mm) lens on 35mm and full frame (FX) cameras because of the smaller sensor (DX) on your camera. When I put a 20mm lens on my D700 (FX) it's actually 20mm and I see the same thing you would see with 35mm film.

Here's an article on DPS that explains it if you want more reading: http://www.digital-photography-schoo...-right-for-you There's a photo in that article for illustrative purposes. If you look at it, use the black border for full frame and the yellow one for Nikon crop sensors. The red/green rectangles are for Canon's crop sensors

[faisal_76704]

Originally Posted by TBrown00

Full frame has no effect on movement. It has much lower noise at high ISOs (I can go to 3200 on my D700 and barely see any) and since it's full frame, its sensor is the same size as a piece of 35mm film which means there is no crop factor. When you put a lens on your D90 at 20mm, it's equivalent to a 30mm (20mm x 1.5 = 30mm) lens on 35mm and full frame (FX) cameras because of the smaller sensor (DX) on your camera. When I put a 20mm lens on my D700 (FX) it's actually 20mm and I see the same thing you would see with 35mm film.

Here's an article on DPS that explains it if you want more reading: Full Frame Sensor vs Crop Sensor – Which is Right For You? There's a photo in that article for illustrative purposes. If you look at it, use the black border for full frame and the yellow one for Nikon crop sensors. The red/green rectangles are for Canon's crop sensors

I some how manage to understand the different between my camera and full frame.. this is a very strong poison u have given me.. I have to change my next wish list. I was saving my money for nikon 70-20mm VR II,looks like i have to postponed it. The d700 is on top of the list right now.

[TBrown00]

Originally Posted by faisal_76704

I some how manage to understand the different between my camera and full frame.. this is a very strong poison u have given me.. I have to change my next wish list. I was saving my money for nikon 70-20mm VR II,looks like i have to postponed it. The d700 is on top of the list right now.

While the D700 is a great camera, here is my standard advice for anyone who wants to upgrade their camera and lenses: buy glass first and a camera body later - unless you really need the different body. Good glass is a better investment than a body since it will last you a long time.

If you want to go full frame you would have to upgrade your 12-24 since it's a DX lens. I would reccomend the nikon 16-35. I'm not sure what other lenses you have and whether they're FX or DX lenses.