im tired of hypocrites and soothsayers

[sHIMUZUKi]

ok i just want to say some thing.I'M SICK AND * TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE( i'm sorry if i offend you and beg your pardon in advance)WHO JUST GO AROUNG SAYING OOH THATS A GREAT IMAGE(when the composition is outta this world and theres nothing at all right with the pic):COME ON howd'ya think these amateur photographers(like me)are evr gonna advance if you don't tell them the ******* truth.ooh and if you dont feel guilty what i just said doesn't apply to you then(hopefully)

[Preacherman]

Hi sHIMIZUKi. Your post is interesting, and contains a principle not to be argued with. You cannot improve your game of tennis if you choose a paraplegic as a partner and ignore the advice of your coach. But would you adopt the same tough uncompromising approach when training a 5 year old tennis enthusiast as you would when coaching a ceded player. Of course not, so many of us who are struggling with technique and principles, or indeed who have no intention of doing anything other than taking shots and sharing them (hence post on "Share Your Shots") need the encouragement, love, care and friendly motivation that SYS offers. For the keen to grow photog, who is looking for specific advice, the critique forums are right there, and you will find no punches pulled there. Also there are other sites where contributors are positively brutal with you, and yes you tend to pull yourself together real quick there or get out. I think you need to ask yourself, are you in the right place. Your critical comments on Share your Shots are only short and sharp and do not contain anything that your target photographer can take away and use in a constructive way, but then again, having posted that shot on SYS, was probably not looking for that kind of response in the first place. Post your critique's on the critique forums and enjoy our pictures with us on the SYS forum. We appreciate you being with us, and don't want you to get "Sick and tired". PAUL

[zona5101]

Originally Posted by sHIMUZUKi

ok i just want to say some thing.I'M SICK AND * TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE( i'm sorry if i offend you and beg your pardon in advance)WHO JUST GO AROUNG SAYING OOH THATS A GREAT IMAGE(when the composition is outta this world and theres nothing at all right with the pic):COME ON howd'ya think these amateur photographers(like me)are evr gonna advance if you don't tell them the ******* truth.ooh and if you dont feel guilty what i just said doesn't apply to you then(hopefully)

You have 600+ posts, surely you understand there is a place for sharing and encouragement and a place for critiques and constructive criticism. Photography, like a lot of arts, attracts people who are introspective and many times introverted. A picture is a reflection of you and how you interpret a scene. It is a difficult dichotomy to share things deemed personal. Plus, nobody comes out of the womb a stellar photographer, we need and like encouragement. Stick around long enough and you will see how an individual here grows in quality and style of their photography. That is what it is all about.

[jdepould]

That's what happens when you post in Share Your Shots and not critique.

[harrypalmer044]

Well it will be interesting to see how this thread "pans out" and what result it achieves for you. I think you got your point across strongly ( if slightly aggressively ) that you feel the majority of us pander to all those who post images on here. But I am sure that at some point in your time here you have also felt an image you wanted to comment on was maybe not so awesome as it could be but erred on the site of kindness and positiveness to try and get your point across. I personally feel it's a fine line between "Constructive Criticism" and down right rudeness so I will be the first to hold my hand up and say I try to be positive with regard to any image or thread I post into. Having been here for nearly a year there have been times when I felt an image was not so hot and I posted it only to review it after someone says "Well if you look at it this way" or "Have you tried this effect" to change my mind about it and end up coming away with a more confident approach to my photography.
I am a great believer on "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and what you might think of as crap might actually float someone else's boat. How about you try and look at all the images you have posted on here and see how you would have felt if all you received was negative comments. I know from experience it's not always a nice feeling when you have tried so hard, I hope you come away from this thread feeling more positive about things. We are all here to learn and grow with our art, the people on here are amazing and each has taken the time to answer the threads posted on here. Of course there is always another way to approach this, if you don't like it you have the right to leave at anytime. I really hope you don't.
God Bless.
David.

[carl yeomans]

Originally Posted by sHIMUZUKi

ok i just want to say some thing.I'M SICK AND * TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE( i'm sorry if i offend you and beg your pardon in advance)WHO JUST GO AROUNG SAYING OOH THATS A GREAT IMAGE(when the composition is outta this world and theres nothing at all right with the pic):COME ON howd'ya think these amateur photographers(like me)are evr gonna advance if you don't tell them the ******* truth.ooh and if you dont feel guilty what i just said doesn't apply to you then(hopefully)

Unfortunately its the same all over the net. Its about you pat my back and i will give you pat in return. In most cases its just a popularity contest. Try this, stop stroking other peoples egos and you see after a while people wont even comment on your postings, even if its not a cr*p picture. I find it quite amusing. LOL ,some posts get 3 or more pages of replies and what has been posted is utter rubbish, a chimp could of taken. go figure eh. I refuse to kiss *ss so i guess ill never fit in, oh well my loss eh LOL.

[sk66]

It is a fine line....
Online communications can be easily misunderstood in tone/intent. And many individuals don't have the composition to take harsh criticism.... Part of continuing to grow/improve is to continue taking pictures...and for some, getting encouragement is an essential part of that.

I am known to be fairly harsh in the critique sections...elsewhere I generally keep quiet about someones work. Either way, I don't have to like your work...It might suck IMO, but that doesn't make it true...It is still "an art" in many of it's forms.

[beatles2]

Help me understand,,,, you are upset that people have kind words for what you consider avg photos. yes. ummm. What some people might not understand that is people after a while find a connection with each other, some might say they become friends. So I don't think it's bad that for a friend to say, hey nice shot. SYS is a safe place to show some great shots and some that are just fluff shots.

[RLucas]

Originally Posted by carl yeomans

Unfortunately its the same all over the net. Its about you pat my back and i will give you pat in return. In most cases its just a popularity contest. Try this, stop stroking other peoples egos and you see after a while people wont even comment on your postings, even if its not a cr*p picture. I find it quite amusing. LOL ,some posts get 3 or more pages of replies and what has been posted is utter rubbish, a chimp could of taken. go figure eh. I refuse to kiss *ss so i guess ill never fit in, oh well my loss eh LOL.

I was wondering why some of your posts were removed by moderators.. There is a difference in kissing butt and constructive criticism, and I would have to say that some of your comments have been almost trollish.. If you feel you will never fit in, then why keep posting?

SYS IS about sharing Carl.. It is a community of people that like to take pictures and post them, even if they aren't technically perfect. People share and tell stories with each other. And I do believe it is common courtesy to leave a comment if one is left for you..

[pamella60]

Originally Posted by sHIMUZUKi

ok i just want to say some thing.I'M SICK AND * TIRED OF THESE PEOPLE( i'm sorry if i offend you and beg your pardon in advance)WHO JUST GO AROUNG SAYING OOH THATS A GREAT IMAGE(when the composition is outta this world and theres nothing at all right with the pic):COME ON howd'ya think these amateur photographers(like me)are evr gonna advance if you don't tell them the ******* truth.ooh and if you dont feel guilty what i just said doesn't apply to you then(hopefully)

I am really sorry that you feel this way. But, as has already been stated,if your looking for critique, you need to post on that forum. I can only speak for myself, but photography for me is a joy. I am not in it for anything but that. It brings joy to my life. What I like most about photography is not the end product. It is the feeling I have while I am out taking the pictures. Whether or not anything turns out to my liking, or to anyone else's, is secondary. It certainly adds to my joy, but I don't need it.
As was also stated, you need to look at how people have grown in their photographic abilities. How they DO in fact improve over time with encouragement and getting idea's from others. As with anything else, people need encouragement, they need the pat on the back once in a while when they push past their comfort zone...even if the shot didn't turn out that great. It helps them to continue on, to grow. That's what SYS is for. If you don't do well in that kind of environment, you may need to find another place to go. We all learn differently. I'm sorry for you that you can't see that.