full frame....

[fallia]

getting use to different manufacturers verbiage....nikon "DX" to "FX" ....what does Canon use to describe "full frame"?....i'm trying to determine between canon and nikon (using both now) to see which camera comes with Full Frame for the best money (my D3100 shoots a higher meg image than a D3) not that you would notice ...i'm trying to pay attention to what the differences are between manufacturers and what differences really matter....I am using a friends 60D....i may like it more than my D3100 (which i love)....but its not apples to apples i may need to rent a bigger Nikon to compare more accurately (i'm sure i would like it more than D3100 as well)

[inkista]

On lenses? EF (full frame) vs. EF-S (crop body).

Body-wise, only the 1Ds and 5D series cameras are full-frame. The 1D series are 1.3x crop; everything else is 1.6x crop.

VR => IS
AF-S => USM

The 60D is sort of like a D90, if the D90 were updated with D7000 sensor tech. The closest Canon equivalent to the D3100 is the T3 (1100D).

[fallia]

thanks, theres just alot to figure out and compare...i miss the "brownie" days

[Azaki]

I can speak for Nikon bodies. I've been researching for a while. if you want full frame(and have the cash), get the D700. If you want a Good Feature set then get a D300s OR a D90. The only differences between the new D7000 and the D90 are the Sensor and number of focus points(more focus points are better, I know I could use more at times with my D90).

So if you want value and low cost go for the D90, next step in price is the D7000, but mostly a lateral shift from the D90's feature set, and the D300s will get you a full set of features, some of which that actually go beyond what the D700 can provide, while still being affordable. Go for the D700 if you really want Full Frame.

Also getting a DX Body will save you money on lenses in the future, as the FX lenses are much pricier then DX lenses.

[3bayjunkie]

I did the same thing I had a NIkon N80 film camera. Which is full sensor obviously. It was weird after that looking at the digital cameras and understanding the cropped sensor and how it coincides with the lenses angle of view. I have to say, comming from a film background I don't like the crop bodies, however I am on a budget right now, and though you can buy the Cannon 35mm film camera (EOS-1) for only $1,699 the least expensive digital full frame is about $2500 with that being the Canon 5D.

I initially went back and forth looking at Canon vs Nikon with an unbiased view. I like the 5D but I would like at least a 5 fps burst and it doesn't offer that (only 3.9). The next one up was the Nikon D700 ($2,699) with a 5fps burst rate.

I then figured with a $1500 camera body budget I wouldn't be able to afford a full frame Digital. Nikon seems to be a bit more expensive even with their film camera. The Canon EOS-1 shoots 10fps. However the Nikon F6 only shoots 8 And costs $2,499. Although It does have a lot of great features.

Back to Digital. I decided reasonably I can only afford a crop body even though I like the quality of image that comes with the full frame, the crop body is much cheaper. After much research I found that on average I leaned toward the Nikon family of camera bodies. I like the Nikon D5100 and thought about getting it until I realized it doesn't work with AF lenses. So for my price range I was looking at either a new Nikon D7000, and a used Nikon D300s. The Nikon D7000 is newer and looks to be more favorable over the older D300s. So i finally decided on the Nikon D7000. I also bought the book on it written by David Busch.

So in conclusion. If you are thinking of getting a Nikon crop body I would definately suggest the Nikon D7000 and also pick up the David Busch's Nikon D7000 Guide to Digital SLR Photography, 1st Edition.

Have a nice day!1

[fallia]

thanks for these comments, they are helpful....i had to walk away from the research (i was getting confused)...right now budget is a concern...i can get by with what i have now...camera and assignment (small editorial things)...i rented a tilt shift and some other stuff a few weeks ago to start shooting buildings...i dont think i can rent "ALL" of the equipment for shooting (bigger badder bodies and lenses) eat the expense and make anything right now being in the shallow end of the pond....may just have to limp along with a small upgrade in a new body then catch some more jobs....thanks, guys

[OsmosisStudios]

Originally Posted by 3bayjunkie

I had a NIkon N80 film camera. Which is full sensor obviously.

It's full frame, but I don't know about the sensor...

/pedant

[fallia]

i notice a few of the full frames take smaller image sizes than cropped frames...that's confusing to me (something i'm not understanding) about the pixels or the value/sophistication (?) of the sensor

[3bayjunkie]

Originally Posted by fallia

i notice a few of the full frames take smaller image sizes than cropped frames...that's confusing to me (something i'm not understanding) about the pixels or the value/sophistication (?) of the sensor

a full frame camera with a 35mm sensor uses the entire lens capacity to record the image. A crop frame is exactly what it sounds like. for example a 1.5x crop frame only uses 75% of the area of the lens and therefore makes the subjects appear larger on the final image.

Originally Posted by fallia

getting use to different manufacturers verbiage....nikon "DX" to "FX" ....what does Canon use to describe "full frame"?....i'm trying to determine between canon and nikon (using both now) to see which camera comes with Full Frame for the best money (my D3100 shoots a higher meg image than a D3) not that you would notice ...i'm trying to pay attention to what the differences are between manufacturers and what differences really matter....I am using a friends 60D....i may like it more than my D3100 (which i love)....but its not apples to apples i may need to rent a bigger Nikon to compare more accurately (i'm sure i would like it more than D3100 as well)

MP are just a marketing ploy.

You just fell for it. Congrats.

~Eric