Time for Landscape – Weather and Landscape Photography
Today’s landscape photography post has been written by talented landscape photographer – Derek Forss.
Weather in landscape photography has an influence over the outcome far more than many photographers are willing to take into consideration. ‘It’s the wrong type of snow’ was an infamous gaff made several years ago by a British Rail employee, but looking out of my window in June the same could be true of a ‘lovely’ sunny day indeed is it the right type of sun?

Take a simple scenario involving our ‘lovely’ sunny day. Ever tried emulating those ‘perfect’ shots beautifully lit that adorn calendars and postcards. Easy, you think – then after you! For the shot to work you require a combination of events where no amount of photographic knowledge or superior camera will save you.
Understand How the Elements in a Landscape Interact
I am always keen to point out that Landscape Photography is about understanding how the elements interact with that landscape to produce a stunningly lit scene. It is also a matter of timing! One has to work with weather, not against it and whilst understanding the basics of photography is essential, in the end it is simply a question of being in the right place at the right time. I have never fully understood the boast of waiting hours, sometimes days, for a particular shot. What a waste of time! One is tempted to ask ‘have you never heard of the weather forecast’? For most of my shots I waited 1/125 second.
The Weather Forecast on BBC has never recovered from the infamous ‘hurricane’ of 17 October 1987. Forecasting has certainly improved since then but presenters on BBC are constantly fighting against having to give the nations weather within a couple of minutes! This becomes a serious problem in an area like the Yorkshire Dales. In describing the progress of a weather front the forecaster might make a distinction between west and east of the Pennines as they themselves can influence the behaviour of the front, but the Dales are in the middle so which will be the right forecast for you?
Watch Local Weather
Watching the local forecast after the national helps to clarify matters, but the above scenario is often the reason why at times the local forecast appears to contradict the national. If one is serious about weather then like photography you need to have some additional knowledge of weather patterns. Most people watching a weather forecast are seeking an ‘instant’ answer, rather like using a compact camera or a computerised camera only on program. In both cases photographers need to be a little more informed, otherwise you end up with is a compromise and if it works, that is largely luck.
Luck Through Opportunism
None of my photographs are achieved through luck, but luck through opportunism does have a part to play. Throughout my work, but firmly in the background, is the traditional approach to photography – you know, f-stops, shutter-speeds, depth-of-field and so on. It is part of my soul but I am never aware of their presence, otherwise it is like asking a pianist to explain how he plays a complicated piece of music from memory! Next comes knowledge of subject – oh yes, it is a good idea to know on which side of the Pennines you are, because top of the list is weather. The mere presence of a landscape that you are trying to photograph is probably the reason why the sun won’t come out from behind that cloud – even though it has been shining a mile down the road for the last hour – because a nearby hill is contributing its own very localised effect to the weather pattern. Discipline is also important in landscape photography and when exercising that requirement it is best achieved without anyone else in tow. Wherever possible before a shoot I will watch the weather forecast with an avidness similar to others watching ‘Eastenders’. In doing so one builds-up a knowledge of weather behaviour, so when a weather presenter on BBC talks about low-pressure accompanied by strong winds, you have a clearer understanding than most how this could affect the appearance of a landscape for photography.
I won’t make a move until I get the right signals from the BBC weather forecasters and through experience one can often predict quite successfully what will happen over the next few days, later one hopes to be confirmed by the experts. This is absolutely important if the subject that I am commissioned to photograph is hundreds of miles away from home. So when I step into my car it could be raining, but by the time I arrive at my goal, working with weather really means that the time taken to achieve success is closer to 1/125 second than several days!
Following that success I would not wish to give the impression that I then suddenly dash off to some other location (although occasionally the terms of a contract will mean that), or dissolve into the nearest hostelry. Having arrived at the right time one obviously capitalises on success and like any other photographer, look at the subject in greater depth – but wasting time by not understanding first one of the fundamental issues of landscape photography is not in my book.
If plans go pear-shaped then you are likely to end up with the wrong type of sun. Timing in landscape is its most critical element and sometimes the difference between success and failure can be less than five-minutes – no time to muck about with a tripod, better to lose that than the picture. The soothsayers pontificate about a landscape not running away, but the lighting that lifts the artistic interpretation above commonplace most certainly can! Much of our weather comes off the Atlantic Ocean and is the reason why the eastern side of the British Isles is often dryer than the west. But it is not as simple as that. A weather front from that direction is often preceded by high cirrus cloud. It is light and looks quite innocuous, but once in front of the sun it mutes the colour intensity radiating from the scene. Ideal possibly for garden photography where deep shadows are otherwise a curse on a strongly lit day, but for landscape you have indeed ended up with the ‘wrong type of sun’, and a very flat looking photograph.
The speed at which a weather front crosses the country will vary; it can also ground to a halt and even go back. High pressure ensuring dry weather in summer is not necessarily a good thing as it traps pollutants creating heat-haze. This is no good for the big view whereas an unstable air-stream courtesy of low pressure will present a much more exciting scenario of dramatic lighting and rainbows, particularly in winter. Coupled to this is the expectation of getting wet, even soaked to the skin. If you are prone to dashing back to the car at the merest hint of precipitation then I am sorry, landscape photography is not for you. Even I could make a case for meaningful photography from a lay-by (an interesting challenge in itself), but ‘real’ landscape photography is often miles from the nearest highway.
Equipment and Weather
I have avoided mentioning too much about equipment, because really it doesn’t matter. If you understand the basics of photography and conduct some research first before making a long journey, then a compact camera costing £100 is just as affective as a digital camera costing £2,000 when working with weather.
When lecturing I am often asked about the amount of photographic equipment I take on a shoot, to which I reply ‘as little as possible’. At times we get besotted by numbers, particularly in digital where it seems that the higher the number, the better it must be! If my work means a 15-mile hike I will often take just a standard lens or a zoom over the middle range. A fit person should be capable of hand-holding a camera at 1/125 second and by using basic photographic knowledge such as the hyperfocal distance, create reasonable depth-of-field. I therefore regard a tripod as effective as dragging a ball and chain across a landscape and have emptied my filters over Beachy Head as products of failure and deceit. I am not a religious person, but I do regard the British weather as my divine spirit provided that you remember that it won’t wait for you. True, photographic equipment is not perfect, but nature is closer to that perception and a far better companion. Why make apologies when weather is so often the true answer and one that a non-photographic audience understands better than some funny work in camera or on a computer. When that audience recognises that your images are for ‘real’ and as close as you are likely to get, they will appreciate your honesty even if others think the system is flawed. ‘Naïve’ you think – better this way than trying to hoodwink an audience who in the end know a landscape much better than you and therefore realise what true artistic landscape photography is really all about.
See Derek’s Photography at derekforss.com




38 Responses to “Time for Landscape – Weather and Landscape Photography” - Add Yours
February 29th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Great article. I like the angle. You talk a little about the technical details, but the article, as a whole, was much more about the philosophy than the actual technical details. To quote: “[You] have avoided mentioning too much about equipment, because really it doesn’t matter.” This much is very true. I thrived for years with a very basic setup (a camera from 1982), and I feel that some of my best work came from that old camera. Sure, the grain may not have been perfect or I could’ve framed a shot slightly better, but the point is that I still got a beautiful shot.
Enlightening article. I’ve been trying to figure out what I’m missing with my latest work, like I took three steps backwards since I got my new camera. And I think you hit it on the nail, I don’t have a spiritual connection to the Landscape or the weather. I think that will have to change.
February 29th, 2008 at 2:42 am
I thought the article was a little short on content. I get it, I need to stop watching Coronation Street and start watching the Weather Network.
February 29th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Thanks for giving us an insight into your workflow.
February 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am
This has been one of my least favorite articles on DPS in a long while. It was focusing too much on how weather plays such a huge role. Duh. I wish it would have gone into more depth about how to use the weather with photography.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:31 am
That’s a great post! thanks.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Inspiring photo. Love it!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Yups, That’s a great picture. Love the misty anad available lighting. Thanks for sharing.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Great photo and post too. Thx!
Robert.
http://onlinehardware.blogspot.com
February 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Personally I use the forcast charts on metvuw and local radar images combined with local observations and knowledge to determine what the weather will do.
February 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
i like that post
February 29th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Thanx for good post. I use old, good digital camera – Olympus C765UZ and want to say that equipment is important point. For example, in my camera maximum ISO is 400 (and at this ISO i have a lot of noise) thats why sometimes i have long expositions. Indeed this problem solved with tripod but it would be easier without
March 1st, 2008 at 1:59 am
Not a fan of this post. Very wordy.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Loved the article but please remember that you are talking to an international audience so “infamous gaffs” by British rail employees (and similar parochial comments) will go straight over most peoples head.
For people who do a lot of landscape photography, they may well say “think about the weather–DUH!!!” but for those of us who take crappy landscapes (by “us” I mean “me”) this was a great reminder that you need to think about the things that you can’t control (weather) and how they relate to the things you can (your camera).
Derek, I’m looking forward to an article on how to take misty morning photo’s without ending up with bland/laking detail image…hint, hint….
PS for those living in Oz, weatherzone or other similar web based weather guides will give local up to the minute forcasts. You just type in the postcode.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pm
I think the message of ‘consider the weather’ is an important one and the photo included with the piece is inspirational. However for those of us visiting here to learn, some specific tips and guidance as would have been more helpful – dismissing the vital part of the lecture thus ” the traditional approach to photography – you know, f-stops, shutter-speeds, depth-of-field and so on. It is part of my soul but I am never aware of their presence, otherwise it is like asking a pianist to explain how he plays a complicated piece of music from memory” forgets that we are not all concert pianists.
A well written article but more interesting than instructive.
March 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 am
I find dew point to be an important weather indicator to follow. By following dew point along with the temperature forecast, you can often predict when the air will become saturated with moisture – giving one an interesting atmospheric effect.
March 5th, 2008 at 6:36 am
As a beginner i look to these forums for insight on what do do in certain situations and how to use the elements , weather etc to enhance my photos.
You sound like a person who got caught in the rain. Please remember what you write and how it affects the reader. Especially when the reader doesnt know much.
Stay DRY
Jeff
March 8th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I think you may be surprised how much the “reader” may know; or can certainly find out w/ little effort. Give us some credit please…
Thanks
July 7th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Very interesting post with some good tips. Thanks for posting
October 19th, 2010 at 1:11 am
Being from Vancouver, Canada weather in every season is of the utmost importance to keep in mind. It is not unusual in early Spring or late Fall to get 4 full seasons of weather in a day. Have to always prepare and be ready for anything. Great article with good information.

October 19th, 2010 at 1:40 am
@ lars, agree on the importance of dew point, very often overlooked.
A bit wordy, but the importance of understanding conditions that can generate from current weather patterns is invaluable, and I use TPE in clearer patterns. I disagree on the tripod though, not always needed but something I’ve learned to carry.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lendog64/4280959069/
October 19th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Good article! Specially the autumn time is one of the best times of the year with a very special light!
October 19th, 2010 at 10:32 am
As with the others, I’m glad to see this post. There are so many elements to weather (no pun intended). Here in sunny florida, we have little change in climate. but we do have storms that roll threw. I learned a bit about what Derek mentioned in my attempt to catch some shots of lightning.
here’s the shot if ya want to see
http://lafango.com/fortunato_uno#/media/710932-dpp-0881risk
I should add. all the information about the weather is now availible on most cell phones. I know it kept me dry as the storm passed.yup it’s that accurate.
October 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am
Well, it’s definitely a post from a viewpoint I’ve never heard of much…
I’m a serious hobbyist, and I love Landscape Photography. Which is when, reading this post is both enlightening as well as disappointing!
First, I agree that ‘knowing the weather’ is the first and foremost priority to be a landscape photographer, but there are other elements too, as with knowing the elements of the landscape to suit the lighting conditions! If you’re telling me that only one kind of weather/lighting is going suit a landscape shot, I’d disagree!
I think you should probably be more specific to say, “If you want to imitate those popular photograph postcard landscapes”, then you probably need to watch for the timing of the required weather conditions, not otherwise!
Second, tell me that you don’t have to ever wait for a particular lighting even after a forecast, I’d be astonished. Well, planning is one part, and again, if you’re only looking to capture an imitation, then you may be right. But even so, you never can predict accurately (atleast not with a 1/125 precision) at what point you’ll have a bit of cloud cover over the mountains, with a little evening sun lighting a patch of landscape rest in shadows – even if the weather forecasts told you it’s a cloudy day!
To me, It’s always only directional, the rest depends on how long you wait, and what all you get to witness and how you like to perceive!
October 20th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Is this an ode to BBC Weather Forecast?
October 20th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
You said the most time you spend thinking about a photo is very little, but then later you said you spend days thinking about how the weather is going to affect your photo. Doesn’t make sense
October 20th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Very naive to say “ditch the tripod and filters”…. what about anything over 1/125 sec?
Many of my exposures run into several seconds if not minutes, especially at dawn and sunset and I find my filters help pull more contrast and colours out then without them.
I have learnt nothing here that I didn’t already know – this is more of a “wacth the weather forecast” than anything else.
The BBC aren’t the best either… I cross reference 2 or 3 weather websites and find met.com the most reliable and accurate.
Looking at the author’s website I wouldn’t say his work is anything to shout about, I struggled to find any images that were actually taken in bad weather.
Oh, and please do something with your website Derek – it’s so early ’90′s!!
October 21st, 2010 at 2:53 am
Yes, the watching the weather is very important, and it seems like you went into great detail about that. I would rather have you give your technical knowledge about photography.
October 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Yes, great article. Very helpful tips. Very useful for novice like me. Thanks a lot
October 22nd, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Your gaff was a gaffe.
October 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Thanks for a great article. Am going out to the country side in about a week and this is useful tips.
I did some landscapes last autumn.
Martin Soler Autumn Landscape photos
October 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I love taking photos of landscapes and I love the rough weather but now that I have expensive gear I get worried about the damage that rain, dust and steamy wet weather can do to my gear. If I was getting paid and was using company gear I would be inclined to push the limits and get the gear wet and dirty in order to get the perfect storm shot but I cant afford to replace my gear if it gets wet or full of dust . So what I would like to know is how can I get amongst the exciting landscapes and hardcore weather without killing my expensive gear. I know I can get a bag to cover my camera but in steamy conditions they fog up from what i’ve seen they always fog up in any conditions.
October 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 am
Anybody know where I can find out more about understanding the weather and how to use the forecast to predict conditions and light.
October 23rd, 2010 at 5:46 am
Nice photo, but, the article told me nothing about how you got it. This is not a keeper article for me.
October 23rd, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Great tips Derek.
October 24th, 2010 at 12:19 am
well first off i would like to say good for you ….it is not often i am given this much silliness in one place. what makes you think that post processing is valueless and so trivial that only fools would think otherwise? also the insistence that cameras and lenses and tripods have no place in modern photography is really silly. the fact that weather is important to you makes perfect sense to me so how can you say gear and equipment and computers are irrelevant and only used by those who wish to deceive others?
there are always other considerations to be aware of but just being a laid back dude does not make your techniques exemplary nor very far from being labeled lazy. i really get annoyed when you say you can do any job with any kind of equipment for anyone who does anything well will almost always credit it to luck, skill and the right equipment.
October 27th, 2010 at 6:10 am
Nice article and comments.
I would have agreed on the tripod comment except for the fun and beautiful pictures you make when you go beyond the hand held realm. A 4 second shot can show you things that you didn’t know were there. And there is a whole photo discipline in between the two numbers…
November 18th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Great articles,
I do often photos in paris and the weather is not always very nice, but blue skies are boring, check out my landscape portfolio of paris bad weather !
http://www.sergeramelli.com
March 18th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Landscapes made during sunny weather usually are really boring, what is interesting appears when weather is different:
Fog and “typical rainy November”:
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-stolowe_gory–en.html
Directly after rain:
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP8324b-en.html
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP8854-en.html
Clouds and fog:
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP8902-en.html
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP9240-en.html
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP9246-en.html
http://www.tomaszworek.com/gallery-alpy_berchtesgaden-IMGP9334a-en.html
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