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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a fantastic article and personally helpful.  Tomorrow i will be putting myself in this spot, this morning in upstate new york there was a horrific tragedy. 14 shot and killed including the shooter in a local immigration center. I am a local student of photography and when i transfer will be attending school for photojournalism. This will be my first time going into a situation where the model is not only a stranger but under such stress. The entire area has been devastated by this and I feel obligated to document it as one of the most important events in our recent memory in the area. Thank you for all the suggestions and some hints. My hopes go out for the families and victims who were so greatly affected by both of these tragedies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a fantastic article and personally helpful.  Tomorrow i will be putting myself in this spot, this morning in upstate new york there was a horrific tragedy. 14 shot and killed including the shooter in a local immigration center. I am a local student of photography and when i transfer will be attending school for photojournalism. This will be my first time going into a situation where the model is not only a stranger but under such stress. The entire area has been devastated by this and I feel obligated to document it as one of the most important events in our recent memory in the area. Thank you for all the suggestions and some hints. My hopes go out for the families and victims who were so greatly affected by both of these tragedies.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Creek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Creek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if this commentcomes across as too hostile or defensive. I&#039;ve tried to be even-handed, but I am not happy about the accusations and insults thrown my way by joseph:

Lets think for a moment what would happen if photographers &quot;respected&quot; victims of tragedy and never took photographs of any event where a life or property was lost. No one would know the extent of the damage, beyond what they could imagine from descriptions. The flood of support would be a tiny fraction of what it was. The importance of treating natural or artificial disasters with respect would be diminished. Beyond this, the huge benefits forensic photography for understanding and preventing disaster would be lost.

We are visual animals, and we need to see things to understand them. &quot;I&#039;ll believe it when I see it&quot; is very true. Wars became less deadly and romanticised when people at home could see some of the horror in the newspapers and on television. Natural disasters become better understood and more easily managed from documentary photos. Victims receive more support when those who escaped the disaster connect with them emotionally. Many of the most important photos in history, which have changed the world, would not have been taken if your idea of &quot;respect&quot; was adhered to by all photographers.

I have made it very clear in this post that I intended to make no personal gain of any kind from my photography of Kinglake - except perhaps to satisfy my curiosity. If no one was allowed to take photos, imagine how many sightseers would be there now, satisfying theirs? I took every reasonable measure I could to eliminate any suffering I may cause others by doing so. I don&#039;t think you could point to anything I did that directly caused pain to another person.

If seeing a photo of a place a loved one was lost causes pain, it is because of the loss, not because of the photo. However, if I were to see a sign on a property requesting no photography, I would respect that, as I said in the post - I saw none, however. I did learn the lesson that some residents are unhappy about photography, as you will see in the comments on the post on my blog. I&#039;ve also learned that the people who object to my photos - at least the only ones so far - also are very angry and feel personally insulted by me, so much that they wish to return the favour with unfounded accusations and name-calling. I think it&#039;s sad and unfortunate that their anger has been misdirected to me, but I will not argue with them about it, as it solves nothing.

I am very disappointed that you lowered yourself to insult me in the last line in your comment. I resent and reject your implication that I got some kind of enjoyment from others&#039; misery. You lend your argument no credibility by stooping to such a low level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if this commentcomes across as too hostile or defensive. I&#8217;ve tried to be even-handed, but I am not happy about the accusations and insults thrown my way by joseph:</p>
<p>Lets think for a moment what would happen if photographers &#8220;respected&#8221; victims of tragedy and never took photographs of any event where a life or property was lost. No one would know the extent of the damage, beyond what they could imagine from descriptions. The flood of support would be a tiny fraction of what it was. The importance of treating natural or artificial disasters with respect would be diminished. Beyond this, the huge benefits forensic photography for understanding and preventing disaster would be lost.</p>
<p>We are visual animals, and we need to see things to understand them. &#8220;I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it&#8221; is very true. Wars became less deadly and romanticised when people at home could see some of the horror in the newspapers and on television. Natural disasters become better understood and more easily managed from documentary photos. Victims receive more support when those who escaped the disaster connect with them emotionally. Many of the most important photos in history, which have changed the world, would not have been taken if your idea of &#8220;respect&#8221; was adhered to by all photographers.</p>
<p>I have made it very clear in this post that I intended to make no personal gain of any kind from my photography of Kinglake &#8211; except perhaps to satisfy my curiosity. If no one was allowed to take photos, imagine how many sightseers would be there now, satisfying theirs? I took every reasonable measure I could to eliminate any suffering I may cause others by doing so. I don&#8217;t think you could point to anything I did that directly caused pain to another person.</p>
<p>If seeing a photo of a place a loved one was lost causes pain, it is because of the loss, not because of the photo. However, if I were to see a sign on a property requesting no photography, I would respect that, as I said in the post &#8211; I saw none, however. I did learn the lesson that some residents are unhappy about photography, as you will see in the comments on the post on my blog. I&#8217;ve also learned that the people who object to my photos &#8211; at least the only ones so far &#8211; also are very angry and feel personally insulted by me, so much that they wish to return the favour with unfounded accusations and name-calling. I think it&#8217;s sad and unfortunate that their anger has been misdirected to me, but I will not argue with them about it, as it solves nothing.</p>
<p>I am very disappointed that you lowered yourself to insult me in the last line in your comment. I resent and reject your implication that I got some kind of enjoyment from others&#8217; misery. You lend your argument no credibility by stooping to such a low level.</p>
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		<title>By: Sime</title>
		<link>http://digital-photography-school.com/photographing-a-tragedy/comment-page-1#comment-46037</link>
		<dc:creator>Sime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph? Who is &quot;Nelly&quot; - You clearly mean Neil

&quot;Photographing a tragedy&quot; happens every day - watch the news? Neil&#039;s portrayal of the devastation is very modest by comparison to some of the coverage. As editorial photography, there is no requirement to remove the photos. If you would like to discuss, please get in touch: simon@digital-photography-school.com

With respect,
Sime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph? Who is &#8220;Nelly&#8221; &#8211; You clearly mean Neil</p>
<p>&#8220;Photographing a tragedy&#8221; happens every day &#8211; watch the news? Neil&#8217;s portrayal of the devastation is very modest by comparison to some of the coverage. As editorial photography, there is no requirement to remove the photos. If you would like to discuss, please get in touch: <a href="mailto:simon@digital-photography-school.com">simon@digital-photography-school.com</a></p>
<p>With respect,<br />
Sime</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmmmmmm I hate to sound like a negative Nelly but I don&#039;t think your friend had the right to ask you to photograph Kinglake as other residents object to photographers going there, I was invited to go see what was left of Roundstone winery and the surrounding damage, I thought that even if i was invited by one person that didn&#039;t give me the right to photograph other peoples misery, I did visit one friend up that way but I left my camera at home, I would like to ask anybody reading this post............. the residents think it is disrespectful and have installed signs asking for to be respected and no photograhps to be taken. Unless you had specific permission from the owners of the properties that you photographed then please show some respect and remove the images. I don&#039;t think you have posted them to offend people but please show some respect.................................... one lesson from photographing you are lucky to not have learned is that there are alot of unresolved emotions up in those hills and i wouldn&#039;t want to be on the recieving end of sombody that has lost loved in those ruins.
anyhow i did enjoy driving around and seeing the damage it was awesome a real enjoyable days drive in sombody elses misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmmmmmm I hate to sound like a negative Nelly but I don&#8217;t think your friend had the right to ask you to photograph Kinglake as other residents object to photographers going there, I was invited to go see what was left of Roundstone winery and the surrounding damage, I thought that even if i was invited by one person that didn&#8217;t give me the right to photograph other peoples misery, I did visit one friend up that way but I left my camera at home, I would like to ask anybody reading this post&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. the residents think it is disrespectful and have installed signs asking for to be respected and no photograhps to be taken. Unless you had specific permission from the owners of the properties that you photographed then please show some respect and remove the images. I don&#8217;t think you have posted them to offend people but please show some respect&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; one lesson from photographing you are lucky to not have learned is that there are alot of unresolved emotions up in those hills and i wouldn&#8217;t want to be on the recieving end of sombody that has lost loved in those ruins.<br />
anyhow i did enjoy driving around and seeing the damage it was awesome a real enjoyable days drive in sombody elses misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://digital-photography-school.com/photographing-a-tragedy/comment-page-1#comment-45757</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil:

Great photos and article. I am a newspaper reporter/photog and end up at fires and such several times a year. You had good  tips. I may share they w/ our newsroom. I also agree with the person who said talk to the victims. I have had people who dont&#039; want to talk to me, but others have given me great comments and made the story more human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil:</p>
<p>Great photos and article. I am a newspaper reporter/photog and end up at fires and such several times a year. You had good  tips. I may share they w/ our newsroom. I also agree with the person who said talk to the victims. I have had people who dont&#8217; want to talk to me, but others have given me great comments and made the story more human.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://digital-photography-school.com/photographing-a-tragedy/comment-page-1#comment-45722</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neil

Thank you for writing an article that reminds photojournalists that they have a role in supporting the emotional well being of those affected by disaster. Your sensitivity and sincerity is very much apreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil</p>
<p>Thank you for writing an article that reminds photojournalists that they have a role in supporting the emotional well being of those affected by disaster. Your sensitivity and sincerity is very much apreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Minick</title>
		<link>http://digital-photography-school.com/photographing-a-tragedy/comment-page-1#comment-45650</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Minick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very much akin to being a news or combat photog. It changes you as a person...if you&#039;re lucky, you become impassionate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very much akin to being a news or combat photog. It changes you as a person&#8230;if you&#8217;re lucky, you become impassionate.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Neil for the article. Here is the opinion of another firefighter... photographing tragedy is not for everyone. Thanks for emphasizing the physical risks of doing this type of work however there are also emotional risks. The experience can leave some people traumatized. Professionals (firefighters, photograpers etc.) have Critical Incident Stress Management resources available to them. Most independant photographers won&#039;t. Photographers may not know what they are getting into. Hopefully though, photographing tragedy will be rewarding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Neil for the article. Here is the opinion of another firefighter&#8230; photographing tragedy is not for everyone. Thanks for emphasizing the physical risks of doing this type of work however there are also emotional risks. The experience can leave some people traumatized. Professionals (firefighters, photograpers etc.) have Critical Incident Stress Management resources available to them. Most independant photographers won&#8217;t. Photographers may not know what they are getting into. Hopefully though, photographing tragedy will be rewarding.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a newspaper in a small southern town.  Many times we are called out to photograph fires, car wrecks, and other devastating events.  I appreciate the fact that you advised the reader to consider the wishes of those most effected by the moment.  There is a thin line between doing your job and remembering that often we are dealing with living beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a newspaper in a small southern town.  Many times we are called out to photograph fires, car wrecks, and other devastating events.  I appreciate the fact that you advised the reader to consider the wishes of those most effected by the moment.  There is a thin line between doing your job and remembering that often we are dealing with living beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Sime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, brilliant work my friend. Well done

Sime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, brilliant work my friend. Well done</p>
<p>Sime</p>
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