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  • Another "please suggest a camera" thread! 7D or similar..

    Hi,

    Iíve sold my beloved dSLR Ė it was my first ever dSLR and that camera introduced me to the world of photography. It was Sony a300 and reasons for selling were two fold:

    - The camera was 4+ years old, so the shutter count was getting up there.
    - The ďProcessingĒ time just got too much. A 30 sec exposure usually had ďprocessingĒ time of 20 Ė 30seconds. I do a lot of long exposure shooting so it was really starting to bug me.

    Now Iím in the market for a new camera. I do a lot of landscape (beaches, sunset, sunrise, cityscape etc) photography so I wish I could buy a full frame camera but Iím afraid thatís out of my budget at the moment.

    Iíve read a lot about Canon 7D and seem like a great camera but the fact that it doesnít have the ability to twist and turn the LCD screen is a shame. I used that feature a lot on my previous camera and I canít imagine living without it. As much as I love its weatherproof housing, I think Iíll pass on it just because of the LCD screen.

    This leaves me with 600D which Iím sure is a great camera. Being a Sony owner in past 4-5 years, Iím unsure of the range available in Nikon or Canon. Ideally I would love to have 7Dís processor (or equivalent) along with 7Dís weatherproof housing but LCD screen that I can twist or turn. I donít care about video quality of the camera.

    So do you guys have any other suggestions?
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    Have you looked at the Canon 60D?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by RichardTaylor View Post
      Have you looked at the Canon 60D?
      Actually, I'm looking at it right now. Just came across it.
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        Not sure specifically about the Sony, but on Nikons there's a long exposure noise reduction setting where, after a long exposure the camera then charges the sensor without opening the shutter for the same amount of time as the actual photo. It then uses the data from the sensor to determine where the color noise would be in the photo and fixes it in the final jpg. If you shoot RAW, it's useless, but the setting is easily turned off in the menus. I wonder if that's why you were getting long processing times with your images.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by RichardTaylor View Post
          Have you looked at the Canon 60D?
          ++1. The 60D does not have the weather-sealing like the 7D, though. Unfortunately non of Canon's weather-sealed bodies provide the articulated LCD. At this point the only two bodies Canon offers that articulated screen on are the 600D and the 60D. Of the two, the 60D is probably closer to functioning like your old DSLR, as both have the "dual-wheel" controls, where the 600D only has the top wheel and a four button layout on the back. The 60D also adds a top LCD screen that neither the Sony a300 nor Canon 600D have.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by dakwegmo View Post
            Not sure specifically about the Sony, but on Nikons there's a long exposure noise reduction setting where, after a long exposure the camera then charges the sensor without opening the shutter for the same amount of time as the actual photo. It then uses the data from the sensor to determine where the color noise would be in the photo and fixes it in the final jpg. If you shoot RAW, it's useless, but the setting is easily turned off in the menus. I wonder if that's why you were getting long processing times with your images.
            I doubt that is the case cos I've played with my camera a lot and never came across that feature. I get the feeling that the processing time got longer with time. I'm not sure if that's expected or not.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by veritasimagery View Post
              ++1. The 60D does not have the weather-sealing like the 7D, though. Unfortunately non of Canon's weather-sealed bodies provide the articulated LCD. At this point the only two bodies Canon offers that articulated screen on are the 600D and the 60D. Of the two, the 60D is probably closer to functioning like your old DSLR, as both have the "dual-wheel" controls, where the 600D only has the top wheel and a four button layout on the back. The 60D also adds a top LCD screen that neither the Sony a300 nor Canon 600D have.
              Thanks, I think it's probably between 600D and 60D now. I haven't compared prices yet but that's what this will probably come down to.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by AshNZ View Post
                I doubt that is the case cos I've played with my camera a lot and never came across that feature. I get the feeling that the processing time got longer with time. I'm not sure if that's expected or not.
                Not that it matters now, but: Sony A300/A350: Focal Digital Camera Guides - Long Exposure NR. Just be aware that many cameras have this feature, and plenty have it enabled automatically, including both of the Canons you're considering.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dakwegmo View Post
                  Not that it matters now, but: Sony A300/A350: Focal Digital Camera Guides - Long Exposure NR. Just be aware that many cameras have this feature, and plenty have it enabled automatically, including both of the Canons you're considering.
                  Haha, thanks mate. Guess I didn't read the manual properly!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dakwegmo View Post
                    Not that it matters now, but: Sony A300/A350: Focal Digital Camera Guides - Long Exposure NR. Just be aware that many cameras have this feature, and plenty have it enabled automatically, including both of the Canons you're considering.
                    Actually the Canon 60D has an "Auto" level of NR by default. There is a setting for additional NR for long exposures and also an option to turn it off completely. I have it off on my 60D at the moment. It's in the custom functions menu.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AshNZ View Post
                      Thanks, I think it's probably between 600D and 60D now. I haven't compared prices yet but that's what this will probably come down to.
                      Through B&H the 60D runs around $300USD more than the 600D.
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                      • #12
                        Is there a reason you don't want to stay with Sony? Most people that own them seem to like them quite a lot.

                        Canon 7D is, by all accounts, a very nice camera. So is the Nikon D7000 (new processor, but more prosumer than pro. The Nikon D300S is a bit older, but still a very nice body, and you might be able to get a deal.

                        Frankly, you'll be hard-pressed to go wrong with any recent generation DSLR from Nikon, Canon, or Sony.
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                        • #13
                          I was talking to a friend of mine, he's a D90 owner and he threw in D7000 into the mix. I like the large sensor size on it. But that again doesn't have the articulated screen.

                          Let me ask you guys, how important is the articulated screen? I used to have it on the Sony and I used it quite often with the live view - how hard would it be for me to adjust to a fixed screen? Most non-entry level dslrs like the 7D or D7000 don't have it. I guess it's cos it adds to the robustness of the camera. I'm not sure about pro dslrs either.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Doug Sundseth View Post
                            Is there a reason you don't want to stay with Sony? Most people that own them seem to like them quite a lot.

                            Canon 7D is, by all accounts, a very nice camera. So is the Nikon D7000 (new processor, but more prosumer than pro. The Nikon D300S is a bit older, but still a very nice body, and you might be able to get a deal.

                            Frankly, you'll be hard-pressed to go wrong with any recent generation DSLR from Nikon, Canon, or Sony.
                            Issue with Sony was the finding the right parts.. I was always the "odd one out" when it came to ordering parts for it. Lenses are quite hard to come by too, especially in this part of the world. I found it incredibly hard to find a second hand lens for Sony. I know it will get better with time now that Sony is well established but not sure I want to take the risk.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AshNZ View Post
                              I was talking to a friend of mine, he's a D90 owner and he threw in D7000 into the mix. I like the large sensor size on it. But that again doesn't have the articulated screen.
                              Not sure what you mean. All of Nikon's DX format bodies have essentially the same size sensor. The D7000 has more megapixels, or were you referring to the D700 which is a full frame sensor?


                              Originally posted by AshNZ View Post
                              Let me ask you guys, how important is the articulated screen? I used to have it on the Sony and I used it quite often with the live view - how hard would it be for me to adjust to a fixed screen? Most non-entry level dslrs like the 7D or D7000 don't have it. I guess it's cos it adds to the robustness of the camera. I'm not sure about pro dslrs either.
                              I love having an articulated screen, and actually bought a D5000, just so I could have that capability in a camera body. With LiveView and having the camera out of your face it makes candid photography much easier. That said, it would probably be the last feature I'd look at if I only had one body.
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